Penalty Unfair - Rail Ticket Loophole
08-08-2007, 10:27 AM
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Since the railways were privatised, ticket prices unsurprisingy went up, largely filling the pockets of investors instead of improving the service. Not content with clobbering the ticketless with a ?10 fine, recently all networks upped the 'penalty' to a full twenny quid. South West Trains issued a memo to its 'revenue enforcement' officers saying that they must always presume someone traveling without a ticket is guilty and to sting them for a score regardless of the excuse. But what if you arrived at the station, your train's about to leave and there's a big queue for tickets?
The penalty fares rules state that if there were "no facilities available to issue the appropriate ticket" you can't get done. One barrister, Richard Colbey, says this means that there must have been someone ready to sell you a ticket and if that person (or machine) is serving a queue then the facilities to buy aren't actually available. That's paragraph 7.4 of the penalty fares rules, by the way. To fine you the train company has to sue you through the county court and so far none have done so.
Happy traveling!
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08-09-2007, 02:31 PM
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I catch the train a lot and have missed trains because of a que at the ticket office and not wanting to get a fine.
Il defo be using this one.
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08-10-2007, 05:24 PM
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| Penalty Unfair - Rail Ticket Loophole I have paid a lot of fines before. Especialy when im drunk.
Im never paying another fine again hahahaha
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12-04-2007, 07:45 PM
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Penalty Unfair - Rail Ticket Loophole Thank you, its at least good to know that they probably wont go to the offort of taking you to court and if they do at least you have something to come back at them with.
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06-16-2008, 09:20 PM
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Penalty Unfair - Rail Ticket Loophole Why don't you just stop stealing and pay the fare?
I appreciate that the rail companies are partly to blame as it's the only business which actively allows theft but ultimately if they don't get their money they cut the service and that can't be good for anyone. |
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06-16-2008, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wehrwulf Why don't you just stop stealing and pay the fare?
I appreciate that the rail companies are partly to blame as it's the only business which actively allows theft but ultimately if they don't get their money they cut the service and that can't be good for anyone. | " Since the railways were privatised, ticket prices unsurprisingy went up, largely filling the pockets of investors instead of improving the service."
and " What if you arrived at the station, your train's about to leave and there's a big queue for tickets?" answer your question |
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11-14-2008, 08:02 PM
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Penalty Unfair - Rail Ticket Loophole its a bit more complicated that what you are suggesting - i've reepresented a couple of people in court that has penalty fares.
Passenger Focus, the rail companies watchdog, says that a reasonable amount of time to wait in a queue is five minutes. Also, the train companies say you must 'attempt' to buy a ticket before boarding, you shoudn't just run to get the train.
even so, i always try and get away with it. even if i'm caught every so often, the free journey's ive had more than make up for it... |
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